What’s coming for Group B and a Review for Everyone Else

REVIEW

Group C is way ahead with Results of a Big Y and Full Genomes in hand. Their nomenclature looks something like this R1b>U106> L48>Z346>DF101>DF102>FGC12993. Each of those numbers represents a one time SNP (mutation)  carried by everyone descended from that individual in which the SNP occurred. Okay you are saying so what? Well the what is how each group of researchers is working on their part of the massive Y Human family tree. For Group C they are wonderfully close to unraveling very old connections between Irish & Scottish KINCAIDs, Scottish SINCLAIRs and a German FRENCKNICK. Imagine a day when you can with a few SNP tests or a simple panel know where exactly on the Y-Tree and how that relates to all other men on the planet. Not only where but how he came to be there. A little review.

Starting with the first man “Adam” one of his descendents had a mutation on the Y chromosome which led to Haplogroup B and then a descendent of B had a mutation C, D, E etc. All of our WHEATON groups so far belong to either “R” of  “I” haplogroup which are the most common in Great Britain. I’ve shown you this chart before. Wheadon Group C parts ways with the rest of the WHEATON groups about 5,000 years ago when a man was born with the U106 mutation. Around the same was another M269 man who developed a different mutation this one called P312.

Wheaton Relationship A-D

Of our other WHEATON groups

Groups A & D  are L21 the most prolific in Great Britain accounting for 23.5% of men in GB. The highest frequencies are found in SW Ireland and Wales.                                                                                                   Group C U106 are about 14.8% in GB with the highest concentrations in Southern England especially the East.

GROUP B

Group B  U152 is only about 4.3% of men in GB and L2 (the son of U152) accounts for only 1.8%. Then we add into the mix of the L2’s sons (downstream SNPS) are the major subgroups Z49, L20, Z36, Z56 etc for which Group B is NEGATIVE for all. These account for the vast majority of L2’s. So that leaves us with a small subset of men probably less than .5% who are L2* and negative on all the above SNPS in GB. The highest concentrations of L2* outside of GB are in the NE corner of Italy (Dolomite region). So the likely L2* homeland. Terry sent this link.

Those of you who are interested in the ultimate origins of L2 Please see this article “U152 in Italy – Boattini et al. (2013) Which has a couple of awesome charts. In the Treviso area of Italy (NE corner) the concentration of L2’s as a percentage of U152 reaches 80%!!!! [R-U152 and G-M201 being the most frequent overall.] So this is the likely origin of the WHEATON Group B. The next question is how did it get to England and Wales? U152 is estimated at about 4,925 YBP (Years Before Present) say 5,000 YBP. And L2 at 5,175 YBP (but it must be below)so let’s say 4,800 YBP. Major subgroup of L2 namely Z49 comes in about 4,700 years ago. Fast forward Next Generation Sequencing like Big Y and Full Y.

In the last 6 months those who were previously L2* (that is negative for known downstream SNPS) are gaining new names due to Next Generation Sequencing. Below is my abbreviated list of new SNPS and what to note. The top two testers have no matches on the 20-40 New SNPS identified in their Full Genome Sequences. This could happen to us too! So they must wait for a match—matches that are from different surnames and with a GD (genetic Distance) greater than a few (STR) markers are then moved from the category “private SNPS’ to Public—that is representing a group extending beyond a family or  surnames. FOWLER FTDNA N114738 is of interest because of his Physical proximity to the DEVON-SOMERSET- SW WALES. EATON  FTDNA 125963 because of the the similarity of name and English origins. However there are a couple of wildcards in the mix so far. One is SIMONETTI FTDNA N68796 who is from the heart of SE Italy and whose tree stretches back to the 1600’s. He is the closest GD at 37 makers at 24/37. He also has a couple of our unusual off modal values. The next one to watch is HANNI FTDNA 171601 from Algeria who is 22/37. Terry Mallenby suggested an interesting story line should we share a downstream SNP with HANNI:

“I might mention, an interesting German “king” Barbarossa [“red beard”] was involved in campaigns in Northern Italy – and his brother was a Barbary Pirate – I remember one of your messages mentioned “slaves” captured by such pirates? Wouldn’t it be ironic if the Ladin isolated populations in the Dolomite region are related somehow, a small group made it to U.K. regions [Group B Wheaton], and were later captured as slaves by such pirates – and all the time related via  Barbarossa’s campaigns in Italy?

If the match is with SIMONETTI we will than need to find out whether the common ancestor was some 3-4,000 YBP and thus an early migrant into GB or only around 1900 YBP and our Group B progenitor was actually a roman soldier from the Ladin speaking region of the Dolomites.

Read more here LADIN People.

More about Alpine Regiments of the Roman Army.

Map of Roman forts in Wales here.

If we were playing the odds the greatest number have been DF103 positive and they are wildly scattered suggesting an early SNP and widely dispersed. I promised an interesting ride and I just wanted to let you all in on what has been happening. Hopefully we will have some real news to report in the next few months. Should we prove positive for DF103, FGC10543, DF90 or DF110 I believe they are all available at FTDNA and YSEQ. At that point if we match one of those we will probably want to confirm with one other of you. Then it will be on to testing other downstream SNPS looking to refine the tree. FINGERS CROSSED we match someone already tested! There’s a story in here somewhere and we are going to FIND IT!

No Matches Yet—but of interest

FOWLER FTDNA N114738 (FGC 2QAKU) Somerset, England

EATON FTDNA 125963 Kent, England

FGC4183 / DF103 (widespread)

BARTOLD FTDNA N81364 Germany

CRAUSS Germany FGC E5G8W

2 Anonymous UK

4 Anonymous Netherlands

CASTELLI FTDNA N115394 Italy

SIMONETTI FTDNA N68796 Italy

HARRISON FTDNA 293471 England

FGC 10543 Italy

ROCCA FTDNA N90341 (FGC 22S11)

FIERA FTDNA 207656

SIMONETTI FTDNA B3593

FGC 5336 Italy

POTONARIUS FTDNA E11688

CTS5689 Slovakia

ROKURT FTDNA 236148 Slovakia

DF110 Germany & England

BARTON FTDNA 19736 England

FINCKE FTDNA170376 Germany

WILSONN FTDNA 148338 England

FOWLER FTDNA 152091England

ESKEW FTDNA N52049 England

DF90 Algeria & Poland

HANNI FTDNA 171601 Algeria

GRIEPENTROG FTDNA N91083 Pomerania

7426675 Luxembourg

ARMSTRONG FTDNA 126817 US

SCHREINER FTDNA 73624 Luxembourg

6707762 Scotland England?

HAY FTDNA 34451

VANCE FTDNA 128853

TAYLOR FTDNA 92511

JOHNSTON FTDNA 4818

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