POST NEOLITHIC ORIGINS of WHEATON GROUPS

Posted on November 9, 2014 Leave a Comment

In case you haven’t noticed I love maps and I love tracing the paths of our ancestors. During the recent Family Tree DNA conference Michael Hammer’s presentation was on the Post Neolithic Expansion of Haplogroup R-M269 in Europe. I have adapted one of his slides to show how WHEATON groups A, B, C and D are related. Hapolgroup I Group E & F would have taken a path perhaps more towards Asia and then to Norway (Vikings) and then into England.

So what we have here is the Common R Haplogroup ancestor M269 Moving north into Eastern Europe (P312) and from there Groups A, B, & D (U152) move into Central Europe whereas Group C (U1060 Moves right into the heart of Saxon territory. Group A & D migrate from central Europe to England. Group B (L2) likely move into the Alpine region of Europe before moving northward again where we pick up our match from Northern Germany or Belgium before migrating to England.

Group “A” WHEATON of Sidmouth, DEVON, ENGLAND: Haplogroup R1b1a M269 Likely R-L21

Group “B” WHEATON of SW ENGLAND and So. WALES: R1b-U152>L2>FGC22501 > FGC22538

Group “C” WHEADON & WHIDDON of DEVON, ENGLAND: R1b U106 R-L48>Z346>DF101>DF102>FGC12993 (C2, C3, C4 similar)

Group “D1” WHEATON of Winkleigh, DEVON Haplogroup R-L21 M269 WAMH Likely R-L21

Group “D2” WHEATON of N Jersey Haplogroup R-L21 WAMH Perhpas of Welsh origin

Group “D3” WHEATON R-L21 WAMH Likely R-L21 & R-L144

Group “E” WHEATON Wetton of STAFFORDSHIRE, HUNTINGDON & CAMBRIDGE, ENGLAND: Haplogroup I-P37.2

Group “F” WEEDON of Lancashire England Haplogroup IP37.2> CTS1977

From the same presentation a distribution graph of Haplogroup frequencies in Europe

To give you an idea of how far we have come this is the Phylogenetic tree for R-M269 in 2010:

Now this is in 2013, three years later. Each line represents a SNP. So essentially about 14 newer SNPS in 2010 and Hundred’s in 2013

And I would venture to guess that as we exit 2014 we have ten times the above tree. And so this is how SNPs (mutations) are allowing us to further map the Y-Tree including our WHEATON parts of it.

What Next Generation Sequencing (NGS) does and how it works to help us

Posted on November 6, 2014 Leave a Comment

Next Generation Sequencing is only about a year old and is being used for complete sequencing (full genomes) and for sequencing just the Y chromosome. The Y chromosome contains YSTRS, YSNPS, and mtDNA. Whether you test a Big Y at FTDNA or a Y PRIME or ELITE at Full Genomes Corporation this new sequencing process is looking for newly discoverable SNPS. Most of the Y chromosome never undergoes recombination and so is passed from father to son to son and so forth intact. That’s how we can trace back any man from now to the proverbial Adam.

YSTRs are the markers that men have tested in our DNA project. They tend to Mutate in the realm of every 100-500 years and have helped us identify who is related in, what we call, a genealogical time frame (since the advent of surnames). They are counts of long stretches of strings of values “AAAGGGGTTTGAG” where we count how many times that sequence is repeated. The number of repeats is recorded for that STR for example:

DYS19 = 16 [repeats]

YSNPs are markers where the ancestral value has mutated to a new value. This is generally a one time event. At a given position on the Y chromosome a SNP mutates. Here is one of our newly discovered shared SNPs:

at Position 18099238 the ancestral value is “A” but ours is “G” (SNP is named FGC22538)

That change is a mutation that gets recorded once in one man one time and then every man that is descended from him carries that mutation. by going from the most recent SNP backwards we can essentially reconstruct the whole Y tree.

Let’s review

Now Group C continues

So find Z1 and continue here

So you can see that in the above example only KINCAID and FRANK share with our Group C WHEATON at the FGC12993 SNP. And beyond that KINCAID shares its own SNP Z1370.2. This essentially the way in which SNPs can be family defining.

Then Group B continues

Since this chart was drawn there are lots more sub-clades under L2 and our newly discovered one looks like this

Note the HUGE difference in the number of sub-clades under Group C WHEATON with 13 sub-clades between its ancestor U106 (S21) versus Group B WHEATON with 2 below L2. U106 is a more prolific group in the UK and also has many more testers. L2 is widely scattered in the UK and does not have as many testers.

Here’s a slightly different example that is not of our group but shows where we can go. [This happens to be R-L21- DF 63.] The long line of SNPS at the top are shared by all those below. All of the men sharing these SNPS are FRANKLINS except one who has an NPE and is also by blood a Franklin. Okay then you can see that some below the top block are shared by some FRANKLINS and not others. These SNPS can be used to identify who is more closely related to whom and when the lineage is known to identify different lines below the common ancestor. In this case the common ancestor was born about 1780.

So this means that if we had more WHEATON group C testers we would find similar clustering. And since we have a pool of about 18 potential test takers for WHEATON group B we might eventually be able to give Glen and Adam and others who don’t know how they connect a definitive path to ROBERT WHEATON and we can tell whether MALLENBY, RAINES, HOWELL and HANCOCK are related downstream of ROBERT or before Robert as in before 1600. And if people test specific SNPS once we have identified potential ones that might be shared we can tell how WHEATON, MALLENBY, RAINES, HOWELL and HANCOCK are related.

So what we in Group B have now is a long list of new SNPS that must be confirmed by others within our group. Some of them are likely to be private like the one we discovered in Jerry’s Walk through the Y and others like the example above are going to be shared by many. I have requested information on a panel at YSEQ. And a couple of you are considering other options. If we get one or more results from NGS we should know which direction to head.

If this is still not clear please ask questions. More info to come.

More on Ancient Population studies connected to WHEATONS All groups

Posted on November 6, 2014 Leave a Comment

I wanted to share with you this map based on the project “Peoples of the British Isles” (POBI). This is based on genetic (atDNA) testing of people who had 4 grandparents born in the UK within several miles of each other. This map shows the composite origins of their DNA by region. They are approx. Proxies:

Red=Anglo Saxon

Blue =Viking

Green=Celtic

We might expect a similar breakdown with Y-DNA. We See this somewhat in our Wheaton groups.

Group A (not sure if it is Celtic or Anglos Saxon)

Group B Celtic

Group Cs Anglo Saxon

Group Ds Celtic

Group E Viking

WHEATON GROUP B Full Y “ELITE” Results and discussion

Posted on November 2, 2014 Leave a Comment

Well it was a long time coming, but worth the wait.

ANCIENT CONNECTIONS

First of all a little review. We have been standing at R-U152 L2* for a long time. Even with a Walk Through the Y we failed to yield any downstream (closer to present) SNPS although we did turn up one private SNP for Jerry. The Y ELITE has yielded 2 BRAND NEW shared SNPS FGC22501 and FGC22538. We also have an additional 33 highest quality private SNPS and 11 very high quality and 1 high highest Quality insertion. These are all possible candidates for further testing within the group.

So we Are Now R-L2:FGC22538 The chart below shows our section of the L2 Tree with our very own shared SNPS. A private SNP is one that is only found within a family a Public SNP is that which is found in different families with a span of different STR markers.

I have re-computed the GD (genetic Distance or variation in STR markers) and the DOOTZ is -21 GD (genetic distance)
46/67 with WHEATON Group B. DOOTZ has done a Big Y at FTDNA. The anonymous Mexican sample is actually someone with 3 of 4 grandparents born in Mexico so not sure where the other 1/4 is from ( Maybe Spanish/Portuguese origins) is from the 1000 Genomes Project and a data set without identifying information.

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L2 is estimated at about 5,175 YBP (years before present) My very rough estimate based on STRS is about 2450 YBP (450 BC) for FGC22538 although it could be further back than that. I will update if I get better information on that.[See 4th map for spread during this time frame] This map shows the spread of the “celtic” Bell Beakers. If you follow the River Danube to its Terminus tat the Black Sea you are in Romania.

Map of Bell Beakers 3000-1500 BC from Britain Begins by Cunnliffe

Bell beaker sites and Migrations from Britain Begins

Bell Beaker Pottery and Migrations from Ancestral Journey’s by Jean Manco

Note on the above map the small bits of beaker sites in SW Wales.

Spread of Italic-Celtic language by 500 BC from Ancestral Journeys

Compare the above map with the distribution of U152 (aka S28) the parent of L2

At this point a lot of the origin is speculative. My hunch is that the Danube River is the pathway from the Alpine region of current day Italy/Austria to Romania and our closet match. So whoever was our common ancestor probably started there in the Alps and ours migrated northward and across to the British Isles and plains of Salisbury (Stonehenge) or took a maritime route going through the Mediterranean and up along the coast of Iberia and made its way to the Bristol Channel.

One expert said “If you find other FGC22501+ FGC22538+ in France and Bretagne then your ancestors may have come in prehistoric times or even Romans times. However, if there is FGC22501+ FGC22538+ only in Germany and Central Europe then it means that your ancestors came to Britain with the Saxons.”

We will now have to sit back and wait for more matches but the heavy lifting is done in terms of where we fit in the great human Y-TREE. As more data collects and when we get more matches we will be able to answer these questions better.

GROUP B POSSIBILITIES FOR FUTURE TESTING

Since the SNPS shared are certain to be shared by all of us in the group there is no real need to test for either unless you are just dying to. They would need to be requested of FTDNA or YSEQ to do so. Although we know FGC22538 is tested in the BIG Y and FGC22501 is not. My next step may be to request an evaluation of the Private SNPS to see what kind of panel could be developed at YSEQ. Their current costs of panels range from $88 to $359. My guess is ours would be at the upper end. Other possibility is I am checking with Full genomes on the coverage/availability of their Y Prime. If this is an option it might be the ultimate cheapest route. The other option is take a shot in the dark and test a few SNPs—-of the roughly 45 the majority would be shared among all group members.Then it gets down to parsing who has which one—the ultimate clues to those where we do not know how they connect.

Please feel free to weigh in with thoughts and comments.

What’s coming for Group B and a Review for Everyone Else

Posted on July 20, 2014 Leave a Comment

REVIEW

Group C is way ahead with Results of a Big Y and Full Genomes in hand. Their nomenclature looks something like this R1b>U106> L48>Z346>DF101>DF102>FGC12993. Each of those numbers represents a one time SNP (mutation) carried by everyone descended from that individual in which the SNP occurred. Okay you are saying so what? Well the what is how each group of researchers is working on their part of the massive Y Human family tree. For Group C they are wonderfully close to unraveling very old connections between Irish & Scottish KINCAIDs, Scottish SINCLAIRs and a German FRENCKNICK. Imagine a day when you can with a few SNP tests or a simple panel know where exactly on the Y-Tree and how that relates to all other men on the planet. Not only where but how he came to be there. A little review.

Starting with the first man “Adam” one of his descendents had a mutation on the Y chromosome which led to Haplogroup B and then a descendent of B had a mutation C, D, E etc. All of our WHEATON groups so far belong to either “R” of “I” haplogroup which are the most common in Great Britain. I’ve shown you this chart before. Wheadon Group C parts ways with the rest of the WHEATON groups about 5,000 years ago when a man was born with the U106 mutation. Around the same was another M269 man who developed a different mutation this one called P312.

Of our other WHEATON groups

Groups A & D are L21 the most prolific in Great Britain accounting for 23.5% of men in GB. The highest frequencies are found in SW Ireland and Wales. Group C U106 are about 14.8% in GB with the highest concentrations in Southern England especially the East.

GROUP B

Group B U152 is only about 4.3% of men in GB and L2 (the son of U152) accounts for only 1.8%. Then we add into the mix of the L2’s sons (downstream SNPS) are the major subgroups Z49, L20, Z36, Z56 etc for which Group B is NEGATIVE for all. These account for the vast majority of L2’s. So that leaves us with a small subset of men probably less than .5% who are L2* and negative on all the above SNPS in GB. The highest concentrations of L2* outside of GB are in the NE corner of Italy (Dolomite region). So the likely L2* homeland. Terry sent this link.

Those of you who are interested in the ultimate origins of L2 Please see this article “U152 in Italy – Boattini et al. (2013) Which has a couple of awesome charts. In the Treviso area of Italy (NE corner) the concentration of L2’s as a percentage of U152 reaches 80%!!!! [R-U152 and G-M201 being the most frequent overall.] So this is the likely origin of the WHEATON Group B. The next question is how did it get to England and Wales? U152 is estimated at about 4,925 YBP (Years Before Present) say 5,000 YBP. And L2 at 5,175 YBP (but it must be below)so let’s say 4,800 YBP. Major subgroup of L2 namely Z49 comes in about 4,700 years ago. Fast forward Next Generation Sequencing like Big Y and Full Y.

In the last 6 months those who were previously L2* (that is negative for known downstream SNPS) are gaining new names due to Next Generation Sequencing. Below is my abbreviated list of new SNPS and what to note. The top two testers have no matches on the 20-40 New SNPS identified in their Full Genome Sequences. This could happen to us too! So they must wait for a match—matches that are from different surnames and with a GD (genetic Distance) greater than a few (STR) markers are then moved from the category “private SNPS’ to Public—that is representing a group extending beyond a family or surnames. FOWLER FTDNA N114738 is of interest because of his Physical proximity to the DEVON-SOMERSET- SW WALES. EATON FTDNA 125963 because of the the similarity of name and English origins. However there are a couple of wildcards in the mix so far. One is SIMONETTI FTDNA N68796 who is from the heart of SE Italy and whose tree stretches back to the 1600’s. He is the closest GD at 37 makers at 24/37. He also has a couple of our unusual off modal values. The next one to watch is HANNI FTDNA 171601 from Algeria who is 22/37. Terry Mallenby suggested an interesting story line should we share a downstream SNP with HANNI:

“I might mention, an interesting German “king” Barbarossa [“red beard”] was involved in campaigns in Northern Italy – and his brother was a Barbary Pirate – I remember one of your messages mentioned “slaves” captured by such pirates? Wouldn’t it be ironic if the Ladin isolated populations in the Dolomite region are related somehow, a small group made it to U.K. regions [Group B Wheaton], and were later captured as slaves by such pirates – and all the time related via Barbarossa’s campaigns in Italy?

If the match is with SIMONETTI we will than need to find out whether the common ancestor was some 3-4,000 YBP and thus an early migrant into GB or only around 1900 YBP and our Group B progenitor was actually a roman soldier from the Ladin speaking region of the Dolomites.

Latest

Posted on January 25, 2014 1 Comment

How does it feel to discover a long-lost cousin? I can tell you – it feels fantastic. I discovered the first in DowlandChurch, when chatting to an elderly lady who was arranging the flowers for a wedding; she turned out to be my mother’s cousin. I discovered the next on the notice board at the Royal College of Music – well, it’s a long story. That was Geoffrey, my first cousin whom I had never met. And now, Geoffrey and I have discovered that we are closely linked to Kingsley Wheaton, descendant of Thomas, who married Mary Sheener in Brixham 300 years ago. And this time the proof lay in their DNA tests which showed a very close relationship – as Kelly puts it below:

In comparing Y-DNA25 markers, which show 0 mismatches, the probability that (237132) Mr. Kingsley Wheaton and (237133) Rev. Geoffrey Wheaton shared a common ancestor within the last…

4 generation is 61.17%

8 generations is 84.92%

12 generations is 94.15%

16 generations is 97.73%

20 generations is 99.12%

24 generations is 99/66%

From my researches, backed up by Jean, with such a close match, Kingsley’s ancestor has to be the Thomas who was born to Samuel Wheaton and baptised in WinkleighParishChurch on 29^th August 1693. Although Samuel and Margaret ffarley, his wife, had three other children, all baptized in Winkleigh, we do not know what happened after that. Obviously, Thomas eventually ended up in Brixham, a distance of some 35-40 miles from Winkleigh.

Samuel was the elder brother of my ancestor Lewis, both sons of Nathaniel Wheaton, baptized in Coldridge on 14^th June 1640. In turn, Nathaniel was the son of Nathaniel, born c. 1605, to Paul Wheaton and Joan Slee, and probably descended from Andrew Wheaton of Eggesford. Unfortunately, thanks to Adolf and his Baedeker raids, the wills and other documents for Andrew went up in smoke. But since Paul’s second son was named Andrew – not a common name in Wheaton circles, it is a pretty reasonable.bet.

We appear to have made the 11th generation: Paul, Nathaniel, Nathaniel, Lewis (and Samuel), Nathaniel, Thomas, John, William, William Bradford, Ernest and Edith, Geoffrey and Susan; if we cheekily add Andrew of Eggesford, then we are at the 94.15%. Get out the champagne. And for goodness sake, encourage any other Wheatons to get their DNA tested; somewhere there is buried treasure.

Almost Halloween! Latest news.

Posted on October 26, 2013 2 Comments

RESULTS

Congrats to Roger who joins our growing Group B cluster. Roger’s 12 marker test was a perfect match to our Group B modal. He plans on upgrading at the sale next month. His closest match should be Bill (William Miel) as they share the same Robert 1, John 2, James 3 lineage. This makes a total of 16 results (a couple not at FTDNA).

We are waiting for results for Howell Wheaton due next month to see if he matches Group E. Fingers crossed.

We are also awaiting results for Keith Whidden whose family traces back to Buckfast, DEVON, England. So who knows whether this will tie an existing Wheaton group to the Whiddens or make someone in the Whidden project very happy. This family is not proven to be related to the knighted Whiddens but the proximity is there. See the Wheaton map here .

SALE USUALLY IS ANNOUNCED AT the

FTDNA CONFERENCE

Anyone who is at 12 markers or who would like to upgrade this would be a good time to do it. If any of you would like to grow the project overall you can always purchase a $49 kit and give it to the next WHEATON you meet. With thousands worldwide we should be able to get a few more tested 😉

Roots of this name:

Surname	Group	Subgroup	Language
WHEATON	EUROPEAN_OTHER WESTERN	ENGLISH	ENGLISH

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Top Countries

Country	FPM
CANADA	101.09
AUSTRALIA	37.8
UNITED STATES	36.15
NEW-ZEALAND	22.57
UNITED KINGDOM	18.22

Top Regions

Area Name	FPM
NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR , CANADA	758.65
NORTHWEST TERRITORIES , CANADA	386.16
NOVA SCOTIA , CANADA	251.91
NORTHERN TERRITORY , AUSTRALIA	210.43
WAIMATE DISTRICT , NEW-ZEALAND	171.29

Top Cities

City

FREDERICKTON , NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR , CANADA

EXETER , SOUTH WEST , UNITED KINGDOM

BRISTOL , SOUTH WEST , UNITED KINGDOM

NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE , NORTH , UNITED KINGDOM

NEWPORT , WALES , UNITED KINGDOM

Top Forenames

Forename

ROBERT

JOHN

JAMES

RICHARD

DAVID

GROUP B TESTING

In other news the WHEATON Group B folks have generously donated funds to pay for a complete Y sequence for our modal David J. We are awaiting a likely announcement at the FTDNA conference Nov 8-10. I have it from a good source ,

Bennett [FTDNA President] said that you should wait if you want to save money. Thomas [Krahn who did the work on the Walk Through the Y] told me that he developed a new Y sequencing method for FTDNA before he was fired and that they will be announcing it at the conference.

I am not sure which way we will go until details are released. It may be that we want to do one or more of the FTDNA product in lieu of the Full sequence and or use part of the funds for SNP testing. The one thing that would make it better is to have it all under one roof at FTDNA. I will be in touch with those that donated seeking their permission if I switch to testing at FTDNA. In the event we go that way I will make a donation to FTDNA in the amount of the funds collected and then I will authorize release of funds to pay for appropriate testing. We are still awaiting 5 results from other L2’s who have Full Sequencing on order.

HAPPY HALLOWEEN to all.

Welcome to Our Newest Members

Posted on September 18, 2013 Leave a Comment

We have gained three new members in the past week! Welcome to the group.

Regarding Group B Relationships

My current analysis places the likely origin of the WHEATON group B DNA signature in Glamorgan or Monmouth Wales or North Devon or Somerset, England. I suspect that the gene flow followed the trading patterns across the Bristol Channel between these locales in the 16th and 17th centuries. The following families share an unusual L2 Haplotype which in some cases is only -3 GD (genetic distance) at 111 markers. The next closest is perhaps -22 at 67 and so this cluster probably broke off from the main group about 2,000 years ago from any other L2 in any database.

WHEATON: Allegedly came from England (or less likely Wales) c. 1636 to Salem, MA Married a BOWEN allegedly from Glamorgan, Wales There were several births/deaths recorded in 1601-2 in Flemingston, Glamorgan, Wales for WHEATONS.

HOWELL(s): Traced back from Southern US to Newport, Monmouth, Wales and from there to Neath, Glamorgan, Wales late 1700’s. A branch of this HOWELL family migrated from Newport to Stockton, Durham Co, England Joh

MALLENBY: Lived in Stockton, Durham Co and Northumberland, England. Lived in Stockton at same time as HOWELL and Raine. Ran a boarding house and both HOWELL and MALLENBY worked in Ironworks/ ship building. There was a John Raine living in the boarding house during one census.

RAINES: Lived in Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales same time as HOWELL and later found in Stockton, Durham, England same time frame same occupation as HOWELL and MALLENBY.

HANCOCK: Late immigrant to US via Canada. Originally from So. Molton, Devon. I have traced from So. Molton to Dolton, Devon in 1700’s. However the immigrant traveled widely and married a HOWELLS from Newport, Monmouth, Wales.

The MRCA of the WHEATON, HANCOCK, HOWELL, MALLENBY, RAINES is either a Englishman from one of the port communities along North Devon or North Somerset coastline OR a Welshman from one of the same along the south coastline of Wales. Interestingly Aberthaw, Glamoran is right across the Bristol Channel at perhaps its closest point with Minehead in North Somerset (Adjacent Devon).

I am pretty confident that at least to the 1600’s this is the right spot. And if I look at the closest match to the Wheaton Group B cluster is a Griffith WILLIAMS. I do not have to look very hard to place a ton of Griffith WILLIAMS in Glamorgan (a bit like John Smith). There is one buried in Swansea, Glamorgan 11 Jan 1730. And an earlier one buried in Llandeilo, Talybont (near Swansea) in 1671. I would guess the Moses Wright (another distant match in L2) would similarly tie in to Wales so I am leaning in that direction. I still cannot prove where Robert Wheaton came from. I do have a Robert Weadon who marries in 1599 in Stogursey, Somerset. He is another possibility for Robert’s father but as always remains speculative. I have updated the location to Minehead for Robert’s origins as the approximate average of his origins, however it might be anywhere along the north coastline of Devon, Somerset or South Glamorgan. I can definitely find nothing that would pull him as far south as Exeter as I had originally expected.

In my survey of parishes I find Wheatons and Hancocks in the port parishes of Ilfracombe, Georgeham and Berrynarbor in the 1500’s Wheatons (various spellings in Minehead, Dunster and Stogursey.

Other L2’s of interest are:

Ernest E Evans b abt 1890, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales

John Upton b 1620,? Devon, England, d1699 MA,America

So here we are back in Devon and Glamorgan again!

Happy Birthday to Jerry our oldest member 92 on September 12th

Posted on September 12, 2013 Leave a Comment

Happy BIRTHDAY

Looks like we have some longevity genes working in our favor! Happy Birthday to Jerry a wonderful and active member of our group!

And we have reached our 2 1/2 year birthday for the Wheaton DNA Project with 46 members. We still have two Free DNA kits available for new members with Wheaton surname of recent British origin OR proven descendents surnamed Wheaton of John 2 Wheadon, Obadiah 2 Wheaton or Chistopher 1 Wheaton of Hull, MA.

SALEM, MA Disappointment

After waiting three months for requested copies of the original Robert Wheaton records in Salem I received transcriptions of transcriptions. I had sent transcriptions that I had an very explicit instructions but apparently the clerks in Salem can’t read! Anyone living near Salem wanting an assignment, please contact me.

RESULTS

No new results are pending for the first time since we started.

EXCITING DEVELOPMENTS IN Y-DNA

There is a fairly new player in the DNA market called Britains DNA. They are offering the most extensive YDNA test (15,000 Y markers) in the business except for the complete Y. http://www.britainsdna.com/products/complete

The most cost effective is the Chromo2 RAW DNA which is $199– There is no guarantee it would turn up anything new….but hope springs eternal. I am waiting for the first results of others to post before considering it.

The complete Y-DNA which is over $1,200 is in beta testing and there are FOUR R-L2 (Like our GROUP B) kits included with results expected at the end of the month. If these should yield any new SNPs those are ones we should test as well. I was actually considering ordering a test for my husband from Britains DNA in hopes of finding a new downstream SNP of L2. I have asked around and people are saying it is the best Y value out there. I will wait to see what existing kits in the pipeline turn up.

There have been a few developments in the last week and its hard to anticipate what impact they will have on Y Testing. One, Thomas Krahn who did the Walk Through the Y has parted ways with FTDNA. Two, the National Genographic Project has announced they are going to migrate to a new testing platform with new primers and the slightly less recent roll out of the Chromo2 DNA test. The prices are beginning to drop and hopefully the competition is good. Not sure what will prove to be most useful. We really are citizen scientists in these endeavors. Once the dust settles I will make recommendations for those wanting to test further. The future that Robert Casey predicted is just about here. See http://www.rcasey.net/DNA/R_L21/HowTo/YSNPs_Deep_Ancestry_Future_Trends.html

There are now 14 Lessons in my Beginner’s Guide to Genetic Genealogy. Three of the lessons are specific to Y-DNA.

Hope you are all well and Happy Birthday, Jerry!

Mostly quiet —-new Beginners Guide

Posted on August 21, 2013 Leave a Comment

Labor Day is just around the corner and lest you think I have not been busy I want to share with you one of the projects I have been up to. Some of you are aware of my attempts here and on my web site to provide you with information relevant to interpreting your DNA results.

I also belong to several DNA mailing lists including a DNA for Newbies group. A frequent complaint is the lack of easy to understand information for Newbies. A book is the works by several well known genetic genealogists but it is at least two years away from publication. Several of us talked about doing a collective project and then I just sat down and started one. It is called the Beginner’s Guide to Genetic Genealogy and I have 8 Lessons so far. If you are someone you know might be interested please pass the word. It is a work in progress and probably contains my usual typos etc. More will be added as I am able. Hope any of you who are interested find it worthwhile.

Kelly

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